User talk:AKB

Hey, welcome to my talk page!

Global changes in the last 24 hrs? And a couple questions...

Hi AKB New to this Wiki editing thang so forgive the ignorance. I have a couple questions if you don't mind.

Changes to global page layout within the last 24hrs? Yesterday I populated near all of the Serpentis System (some of Serpentis III had been done), by using the template of the Jemison page everything started to look great. I uploaded images grabbed from my Xbox (that's a feat in itself), cleaned them up also using the guidelines as best I could, such as the naming convention etc. I did use 'planet' and 'moon' to disseminate between them (question within a question here...should they all be nominated 'planet' in the naming convention or did I do right).

This morning when I came back to see if I had a reply from another user (which I did), about his approval to change the image he had on Serpentis III being 16:9 to follow the 1:1 format for the images I'd entered for the rest of the system, he replied, "go for it". But then I noticed the images have moved from the being at the top of the righthand spine of information to the lefthand side of the page. I also notice the image captions are empty and just show '{{{ }}}' whereas yesterday they seemed fine. Please tell me what I did wrong or what am I missing?

Apologies for the long-winded couple questions... I just wanted to be sure I didn't break anything yesterday. Also if this was the wrong place to ask this question, apologies... still learning the ropes.

PS... Please disregard this... my desktop browser cache acted up. Following the topic about changing the image of the planet from 16:9 to 1:1 to conform with the other planet/moon images I added the new image to the system however the appearance of the planet on the page is warped and I don't have a reason why it would do this?

Tropolite (talk) 19:11, 9 October 2023 (EDT)

Biome table on Planet/Moon page

The first post was too long to add any more questions to it so here is another. On the planet pages I've added the 'Biome table', (found on the Jemison page), and used it as a guide when populating the pages I've been working on, primarily the Serpentis System.

The Biome table has as its last column 'Minerals' and I see that as superfluous and trying to populate that column would be excruciating to do. Can this column be dropped?

Tropolite (talk) 22:52, 9 October 2023 (EDT)

We might be nearing a solution to this specific problem, where we will be able to determine exactly what minerals can be found in each biome, and then list them all with a bot. So don't worry about filling them out, but it'd be nice to copy them over. --AKB (talk) 10:33, 10 October 2023 (EDT)

Thanks for the update, appreciate it. Two things I noticed, if you can confirm, Jeancey made a couple minor changes to the Serpentis VI-b details;

1. Changed the image name from File:SF-moon-Serpentis VI-b.jpg to File:SF-planet-Serpentis VI-b.jpg. Can I take this as name all planets/moons as "planet" in the naming convention?
2. Jeancey removed the rarity tag in the Benzene resource. I take it this variable is no longer necessary? I will go through the previous pages and take these out if that is the case.

Is there a better place to discuss changes/edits in the SF Wiki? I don't want to harass you continually and I should ask the editor of the page to be fair.

And finally, is there a planet page that is complete and properly formatted so I can use this to learn the code quicker (currently using Jemison as my goto page).

Thanks for your help and sorry to be a pest.

Tropolite (talk) 19:49, 10 October 2023 (EDT)

You're not a pest at all!

Yeah the plan is to standardize all images of the planets themselves to SF-planet-[Planet/Moon Name].[File Extension].

Not sure about the benzene resource thing off the top of my head, unfortunately.

It's perfectly fine to use talk pages to discuss development of the wiki. We also maintain a Discord server for slightly more casual/real time discussion about the wiki and Starfield itself.

Jemison is probably the best example at the moment of the direction we want planet pages to go. Unfortunately as there isn't a really great previous example of planets in Bethesda games, it's sort of an ongoing process of us learning what information is unique and can be presented on these pages in a meaningful way. For example, in the future we may learn more about how planet generation works, and discover that it is a fixed seed, so all the cells will actually be the same for every player. That would greatly change how we go about documenting planets. --AKB (talk) 06:04, 11 October 2023 (EDT)

Appreciate your feedback it's very helpful AKB.

Don't worry I will become a pest soon enough :)

I've been on a learning curve working on the wiki ... it's fun. I'm a retired IT Professional and use to Web Design and development as part of a great bundle of things an IT career throws at you. Reading through as much help files as I can I probably should have put this whole thread on your Discuss page, not directly on your Talk page.

And that leads me to my last question for the current hour, what is the protocol for replacing images on the Planet pages? I've populated two Systems (Nirah and currently working on Tau Ceti), and there is one image in each that have been uploaded there for some time. I've created a talk on the two uploaders pages (one asking approval, and one suggesting I will replace the image), but in both circumstances I suggested I will add a Note and a Gallery including their images at the bottom of the specific planet pages. One image is from the Starfield Direct promotion on Ka'zaal and the other is on Tau Ceti VIII-b being a gameplay screenshot running on the planet. (And here I've learnt you can abbreviate 'Starfield' in the tags to SF ... nice).

I don't want to peeve anyone by arbitrarily replacing their image if protocol doesn't permit, but when I'm on a roll editing I really don't want to bypass one page here, and another there. Check out the surrounding planets with the graphics I've uploaded. Any suggestions in this would be helpful.

Thanks AKB, I'll check out the Discord server. Appreciate your time.

Cheers Tropolite (talk) 07:20, 11 October 2023 (EDT)

It's fine to upload over/replace images with a higher quality one. No need to keep it if it doesn't serve a specific purpose anymore. --AKB (talk) 09:51, 12 October 2023 (EDT)

Fauna pages, additional pages, System pages...

Hi AKB

I was hoping to get through today without adding more to your pot, but alas...

Fauna Pages

Noticing there are numbers of Fauna/Flora pages yet to create I've started to create basic pages as I'm updating Planet pages. Are you aware there are two Biome sections on these pages? This would have to be in the actual background of Fauna page creation as there is only one Biome listed in the details I'm inputting. This also leads me to a related question.

Fauna on multiple planets

I've come across an issue that you are most likely aware of, and that is Fauna such as Carasnail Scavenger for instance. They are located in Jemison and Serpentis IV, however these fauna have different Biomes, different drops and other different attributes. Clearly not able to combine these two on the one fauna page in the format the template is constructed currently. Perhaps a basic fauna page for their names and then have a table per planet they reside in perhaps - including planet name, biomes, drop, temperament, Non-lethal harvesting and/or Outpost production allowed or none. The latter options could simply be checkboxes indicating these options available.

This leads me to the last topic for today with any luck...

Other - suggestions/creation?

There are two options that are currently missing from the basic template for fauna/flora - Outpost production available, Non-lethal harvesting, or None. Would it be worth generating a Category page for Non-Lethal/Outpost production availability? Perhaps with a basic table, including Fauna - Flora (2 subcategories), location (planet/moon), Resource/s, Non-lethal/Outpost Available/None as an example? I'm not sure how these Category pages are generated whether manually populated or auto populated.

Lastly while rummaging around in SFWiki world of pages I found what looked like older basic templates for the planets and found that the Starfield logo would be autopopulated onto planet pages if the Faction tag was set to 'None'. I thought that looked great on the systems I've populated but I also added it to the System Infobox but it's not recognized on System pages. I only come across factions that have a whole system under their control, so is it worth adding the faction tag to the System Infobox too? It would make sense as far as I've seen.

Jeepers, sorry another longwinded slab of questions/comments. I'll stop now.

Cheers Tropolite (talk) 03:12, 12 October 2023 (EDT)

Yeah we're doing a lot of behind the scenes stuff to create all the fauna/flora pages via a bot run. Here is an example of how we're currently planning on displaying that information in a new section on the fauna/flora pages in the near future: link

Basically the idea is to have every fauna/flora with the exact same name be a page, with variants listed in their own section as you can see in that example. This means that for most examples like this, the creature infobox will mostly be empty as that information will actually be in the Variant section.

As for the suggestion about the system infobox, yeah that makes more sense the way you're suggesting. --AKB (talk) 09:51, 12 October 2023 (EDT)

Thanks for sharing the link AKB. I'm not sure how the bot run works, where the data comes from, or if you can insert the data into custom made tables to show relevant information instead of just a dump of data (I'm guessing you can from my previous experiences with Web design), but I've forgotten much since my days of crafting pages for the web. Personally, the dump of the data, looks as appealing as looking at raw database data. It has plenty information, but, you know..?

Then of course there is the question of where to add the minor additional resources (if known) that can be harvested or acquired from fauna - you may get two to three different resources where there is usually one basic resource to each fauna.

For exercise purposes I might attempt to build a table template for this variant section in my discuss section, see what I can come up with. If I come up with anything worthwhile I'll post a link and see what you think? (Doing this for my own experience boosting more importantly). 

Definitely needs a basic Fauna/Flora base page with variant section is the way to go.

I guess I should really go learn to use Discord, and start using that as you suggested. Another app to deal with. :)

Cheers Tropolite (talk) 19:43, 12 October 2023 (EDT)

A quick note AKB, I've created a rough table layout that probably would be all we need. I've put it in my Discuss section. Whether it's useful to you, or not that's you and the other admins choice. Just a suggestion.

Cheers Tropolite (talk) 03:15, 13 October 2023 (EDT)

Problem with Harvestable cell in the data dump recently...

Hi AKB

Sorry for hitting your page again but I didn't know where to bring it to the Admins attention.

The recent bot drop of the Fauna data has a problem with the Harvestable cell in the tables. Today I've been populating the Volii System and noticed the data in the Fauna pages. If you look at the Carasnail Grazer page you'll notice each cell of the Harvestable option is blank/empty yet in the actual data the Decaran I and Volii Epsilon planets should be Yes, and Zelazny II should be No yet each of these specific cells are empty.

I'd say just by looking at the data the problem may be in the two differing names, on the page, Harvestable and in the data, Harvest?

I shouldn't think that this glitch would only be on this one page. Hopefully this can be solved quickly.

Cheers Tropolite (talk) 02:20, 14 October 2023 (EDT)

Thanks for pointing this out, massively appreciated! Yeah it was all of the pages, which thankfully made it easy to correct. This was probably just a little hiccup with the botrun, and I fixed it by just renaming the template field (if you're wrong, stay wrong, after all). --AKB (talk) 09:41, 14 October 2023 (EDT)

map is not working

just asking if there is anything you can do regarding the map--204.234.22.245 16:36, 5 December 2023 (EST)

Sorry to hear you are having trouble! On a quick test it is working at the moment. Can you describe what is wrong, if it is still not working for you? --AKB (talk) 18:45, 5 December 2023 (EST)

TypeError: e.use(...).values is not a function --Ythv (talk) 20:15, 5 December 2023 (EST) that is the error im experiencing--204.234.22.245 10:51, 6 December 2023 (EST)

Thanks, reported the bug and it is being looked at! --AKB (talk) 12:30, 6 December 2023 (EST)